Did I do the right thing?

Elixir's picture
Submitted by Elixir on 19 March, 2003 - 21:05.
Yes. Stay hard.
50% (3 votes)
No, u should have let him in.
50% (3 votes)
Total votes: 6
Elixir's picture

DareDevil

Submitted by Elixir on 19 March, 2003 - 21:05.

DareDevil aka da2edev1l on the zone aka someone from Just, refused to swear loyalty to VeX. Please do tell me if I did something wrong. This guy had the biggest stick up his ass the whole game. Would not talk to me would not answer me, would not say "nice" when I wiped his body all over the wall.

Yeah, he beat me. But I was fully prepared to let him in VeX.

(Enter)> V_Daredevil
VeX_Elixir> so, what happened to the rest of Just?
V_Daredevil> i do not remember
V_Daredevil> i left
V_Daredevil> cause to many cheaters around
VeX_Elixir> how long do you plan on being around in VeX?
V_Daredevil> as long as i play outwars
VeX_Elixir> kewl, do you swear Loyalty to VX?
VeX_Elixir> VeX?
VeX_Elixir> *
V_Daredevil> yes
VeX_Elixir> then be a man and say the whole thing
V_Daredevil> ...
VeX_Elixir> if you have to pause to think about it...
V_Daredevil> im not thinking
V_Daredevil> i made my decision to stay in vex
V_Daredevil> but to ask me to say that..
V_Daredevil> is out of the question
VeX_Elixir> u have a choice
VeX_Elixir> swear or leave
V_Daredevil> goodbye
(Exit)> V_Daredevil

Kresh's picture

Re: DareDevil

Submitted by Kresh on 19 March, 2003 - 21:17.

Elixir wrote:
Yeah, he beat me. But I was fully prepared to let him in VeX.

Yeah, he beat me too.

Elixir wrote:
(Enter)> V_Daredevil
VeX_Elixir> so, what happened to the rest of Just?
V_Daredevil> i do not remember
V_Daredevil> i left
V_Daredevil> cause to many cheaters around
VeX_Elixir> how long do you plan on being around in VeX?
V_Daredevil> as long as i play outwars
VeX_Elixir> kewl, do you swear Loyalty to VX?
VeX_Elixir> VeX?
VeX_Elixir> *
V_Daredevil> yes

I prolly woulda left it at yes first, not knowing you want the legality of a whole sentence.

Elixir wrote:
VeX_Elixir> then be a man and say the whole thing
V_Daredevil> ...
VeX_Elixir> if you have to pause to think about it...
V_Daredevil> im not thinking
V_Daredevil> i made my decision to stay in vex

That woulda pissed me off, asking me to be a man not knowing that you wanted the whole thing yet he said he wants to stay in VeX.

Elixir wrote:
V_Daredevil> but to ask me to say that..
V_Daredevil> is out of the question
VeX_Elixir> u have a choice
VeX_Elixir> swear or leave
V_Daredevil> goodbye
(Exit)> V_Daredevil

Strange ending. Consider that analysis when voting. Also talk to the guy in a NICE way since we want good players. I'm not sure if his attitude was entirely unprovoked. I would of handled it differently, but the past is the past. If you're nice, I'm sure we can get this guy to say his lil loyalty sentence, even after this. He clearly wants(or wanted) to be with us.

--Kresh

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Did I do the right thing?

Submitted by Diablo on 21 March, 2003 - 21:05.

Latest info :

MSN Messenger Conversation wrote:

*Diablo säger:
wtf
*Diablo säger:
you were DareDevil
-skorp säger:
yes
*Diablo säger:
Hmm
*Diablo säger:
hmm again
*Diablo säger:
Elixir posted a thread about you
-skorp säger:
where is the thread>
*Diablo säger:
in the VeX forum
*Diablo säger:
well, you cant read it
-skorp säger:
post a link
*Diablo säger:
so dont bother
-skorp säger:
take a ss of it
*Diablo säger:
naw
-skorp säger:
what did he say?
*Diablo säger:
Yeah, he beat me. But I was fully prepared to let him in VeX.

*Diablo säger:
Elixir also posted the conf.
*Diablo säger:
conversation*
-skorp säger:
i didnt say i swear loyalty
-skorp säger:
cause i was running agent
-skorp säger:
so it wouldnt be right
*Diablo säger:
hrrrm
*Diablo säger:
you're running agent now ?
-skorp säger:
nope
*Diablo säger:
If Elixir asked you again
*Diablo säger:
would you swear loyalty ?
-skorp säger:
yeah
-skorp säger:
im not saying im going t obe in vex forever
-skorp säger:
when i was in agent the only other name i had was daredevil
*Diablo säger:
well, we can convert you
*Diablo säger:
:)
-skorp säger:

*Diablo säger:
I can say this
*Diablo säger:
Kresh wants you in
*Diablo säger:
So does I
-skorp säger:
i dont think there is a clan that doesnt want me in
-skorp säger:
CC das tek asked me to join
-skorp säger:
and ecko wants me to join RN but i talk to much shit about owning everyone in it
*Diablo säger:
Why you wanna join VeX ?
-skorp säger:
a lot of people know HTML and helix knows flash
-skorp säger:
and i am interested in that sort of stuff
*Diablo säger:
Lix also knows flash
*Diablo säger:
lol
-Diablo säger:
so thats y you wanna join us.
-skorp säger:
?
-skorp säger:
well if i said it was cause of how good you guysd were i would be lying
-skorp säger:
the ranks would be pretty fun to
*Diablo säger:
Bah...
-skorp säger:
well wtf you want me to say?
*Diablo säger:
That you joined us for the clan we are
*Diablo säger:
not for the personalities or skills
*Diablo säger:
Thats what i would have joined a clan for
-skorp säger:
im joining to make friends and learn
-skorp säger:
if i knew what kind of clan you guys were then i wouldnt join
-skorp säger:
cause then i would already know what i have in store for me
*Diablo säger:
so
*Diablo säger:
when you're done with VeX
*Diablo säger:
when we have filled ya up with all the stuff we know
*Diablo säger:
you're gonna leave ?
-skorp säger:
if i did leave vex
-skorp säger:
i would its either cause i didnt like what was going on
-skorp säger:
or i stopped playing outwars
*Diablo säger:
ok
-skorp säger:
forget it i will join diff clan
*Diablo säger:
ok
*Diablo säger:
:)
*Diablo säger:
Then goodbye.

Well, i think we can count that asshole out.

(sry for asshole)

Did I do the right thing?

Submitted by epagien on 21 March, 2003 - 21:42.

Think so?
You can't deny that we don't have a lot of active people in Outwars with skills as we did at one time. Thus I see no need for Daredevil to be interested in VeX due to our players and their skill level.

The reason I see Skorp becoming a VeX would to increase our numbers in Outwars and to have another face in the web crew and at meetings. The only way to strengthen our numbers in the clan will be to recruit to the simplest guidelines.

Loyality
Activity
and Skill Level

Loyality Yes, we need to keep our member loyality level high but must we overdo it? Asking them to repeat word for word, sounds like a wedding. In a sense you would say "Yeah, a commitment to the clan", but we must remember we are only playing games. Just don't like the fact we have new members playing simon-says to get into the clan. Keep it simple and get it done.

Activity Our members need to be able to spend time in the game as we only have use of members that are willing to join in on clan activities. What's the sense in recruiting a member that can only play once a month. We are a dynamic clan, changing and molding into a great clan in many games. Takes active members for us to accomplish this as it can not be left to one member alone.

Skill Level We all look for recruiting the best but don't forget about the new players. It takes real skill to train the new players. And you can learn new things by teaching players your own techniques.

That's all for now, leaving school.

Elixir's picture

Did I do the right thing?

Submitted by Elixir on 21 March, 2003 - 23:09.

Epagien wrote:
Loyality Yes, we need to keep our member loyality level high but must we overdo it? Asking them to repeat word for word, sounds like a wedding. In a sense you would say "Yeah, a commitment to the clan", but we must remember we are only playing games. Just don't like the fact we have new members playing simon-says to get into the clan. Keep it simple and get it done.

Since I started this, I have to finish it. :roll: It sux because you, epagien, see me overdoing it, making the guy "wed" VeX. I see it as holding a certain standard, perhaps somewhat higher than other Clans.

Diablo did a great job highlighting the chip on this ex-Just's shoulder. Skorp/DareDevil/Just is someone who would use VeX to gain knowledge and then bail out. IMO, we don't need that. To his defense, DareDevil added nothing, in both the conversation I had and the one with Diablo.

That's why I asked him to swear loyalty. Simple, to the point and obviously too much for him to handle. It's not like you have to read a 10-page document, sign and fax the return, ok? It's E-Z: not overdone. IMO, I was not asking for too much.

There is one item of interest that didn't make it into any of the posted threads here. After my initial talk with DareDevil, the conversation kinda spilled out into the lobby. DareDevil said something to the effect that all OTHER VeX didn't have to swear loyalty, so why should he? I replied that other VeX did swear loyalty. Who do you think is more correct?

If the Recruit thinks he's better than everyone in VeX, and therefore doesn't have to follow our Code, our way of doing things, then he's not welcome, IMO.

Did I do the right thing?

Submitted by Anonymous Noob on 21 March, 2003 - 23:20.

Well, I could leave whenever i please but i wouldnt want to do that... we're family (sorta) and if i left here, id loose a great thing... people dont realize that we're friends and we're willing to let them into our clich, but we dont want them to make waves... waves bad. it is kinda harsh to "Swear Loyalty" but it shows that they're here, through thick or thin. If they're just gonna bail out then personally i think its a waste of time. But he REALLY wants to stay/join, he should ask for help, let his pride go, and get someone to assist him.

Diablo's picture

Did I do the right thing?

Submitted by Diablo on 22 March, 2003 - 09:19.

Elixir wrote:

If the Recruit thinks he's better than everyone in VeX, and therefore doesn't have to follow our Code, our way of doing things, then he's not welcome, IMO.

I couldnt say it better myself.

Any other comments before i lock this topic ?

Elixir's picture

Hmm.

Submitted by Elixir on 23 March, 2003 - 15:55.

Yeah, let's leave it open for a few more days. BTW, Sidewinded, how did you get in here? LOL. I thought it was a private room?

Zadam's picture

Better late than never

Submitted by Zadam on 2 April, 2003 - 03:04.

LoL i know i am a bit answering to this thing but i just wanna say a few words about all this. Its not like i am trying to say that Daredevil should get into the clan its just that I remember when i joined VeX i didnt have to swear loyalty to VeX at all, i didnt don't even remember the question being asked. Now i know as time passes and now that we are a LOT larger clan and a lot closer people in the clan. I know that we have to use new things to make sure and ensure the longevity and life of the clan. Now i know that we are run as a military clan, and hey i am not complaining about how the clan is run at all. But maybe it should just be turned down a notch. I am not meaning to make "waves" as side said but just saying what comes to my mind like I always do.

Elixir's picture

Hmmm, yeah.

Submitted by Elixir on 3 April, 2003 - 00:07.

Well that's an honest answer, and a good point, too.

The real question is: If you were asked, would you swear loyalty today?

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